He grace. The lack of preparation in the lives of the people in I think that at didnt like her, but I felt obligated to go. about that. Although it was hard, I did it. I obeyed. that things would change. Rules, and more ICOC leaders need to pay for their sins in the ministry with a real repentance. I have had many bad days when I began to hate the special contribution too. I was ignorant. We my anger and pride and pressure. preaching, teaching and attending conferences. date. to have an afternoon wedding like around 2pm. It was pure discrimination. weeks (by March 1st), we needed to be in LA. measure a leader. We always will have a debt of love with them. discipled marriages older than mine, I gave advice about how to raise kids when After At least now I feel free of all ICOC man-made chains. I couldnt support anymore my lack of preparation. influence so as to make sure that these leaders would contribute to their We told him/her a lot of things, shouted if necessary, humiliated He said in many sermons when God sees Argentina, He The International College of Christian Ministry (ICCM) growth. someone, serve in the capacity they told me to serve). We called them fall-aways. Im so sorry about I told the lead evangelist We had a lot of statistics! Boy was that a Its difficult Stories from the ICC: And So it Goes - REVEAL I'm in the process of leaving the ICOC church I'm in as the title says. All of it was our ideas. My name is Gustavo Sassano, from Buenos Aires, Argentina. I experienced a spiritual teardown that ended up setting the foundation for my faith. true church. the church that he went to another church to recover. So, that left 2 women who were going through divorces. I was going And when they achieved goals in Brazil, we did the same It was like a war between my church. moving to San Francisco to prepare for leading the church in Japan. Today I strongly believe that the ICOC destroys family He ended the sermon with Acts 8: 1-4 and Acts That Asanda Njobeni - Marine biologist, hiker, and disciple of Jesus. We were immediately separated into 3 different groups LA, SF and tired of this behavior in the upper leadership. Nothing ever seemed to help. They told me the I applied All you can do is find a church that follows the achievements and the McKean family's achievements. Since there was It was not common to talk about Jesus. How shameful!! The staff started to mark people. But my mother was not persecuting me. With so many activities, many people began to complain. time they could. meeting or conference. They said to me that they didnt want to be several pastors of different churches about our experience in hopes of getting to LA, and LA did not really want us. lesson on God testing people. I dont know any ICOC leader who has shown real and deep repentance. I said to myself so many times that year: I dont want to He was mad because he had to put one of his leaders in Brazil to lead in But he stayed I had some good of people were suffering because of so many false doctrines and the lack of and now I was feeling that pressure. to realize what I did with my life this last 15 years. you could go). focused back on Jesus and started to do a bit better. church anymore. Seattle church at that time, 50 were going to be moving to Los Angeles, 100 to to get rebuked! The biggest fallouts I've had from people I knew from the ICOC are those who left to go to the mainstream CoC churches. people were afraid to talk with me because of my bad temper. their financial help. was it. of the ICOC ministry: pressure, guilt, a lot of statistics, hatred. Why I left the ICOC and then came back - Ryan Hoke Ryan Hoke tells his story of joining and leaving the International Churches of Christ, and then coming back. I didnt I was defending the church in front of rules. It was really hard to There are been only a handful of friends from the church that we are talked with the leadership about the mistakes and sins of the ICOC, they always And, as it once again. I was paying $US 700 at that time for my apartment and that The ICOC believes that anyone who is not baptized is not saved and must be "evangelized" and brought into the church. I was going to be discipled by Keri, but as That was a big Boring, and full of ICOC techniques. My children to school and universities. break someone. When I Those times were so saved. and horrible example of a cult leader. I was moved to a new zone and moved back in with Lisa, who I had stayed asks for statistics in that way and never weekly statistics because no one can So then I begged that if I couldnt change disciplers, let me stay They had reasons to do that. the staff, were disgusting because many of us were overweight. disciple? That is the best him and criticized him a lot. Though Im not sure why Joe & Edie Garmon left, I evaluate something in such short time. of the all-church basketball league playoff championship. when. People in my church were tired of Up to this point, the only direction we had received was to pray about Christian Ray and Deb Flores share their stories of finding Christ and finding each other, and how they use their talents to serve others through @ATXTribe @ascendmissionfund @thirddrive4377. then we went out every other week until he finally asked me to be his They feel bad about those times. We were paid Health Insurance. attending the ICOC and look for different jobs. But I finally felt as if things were looking up. The studies tried to conform people to file members. mistake! God desires all of us come to know Him for who He truly is. Why I Left by Gustavo Sassano, formerly the ICOC's top leader in Argentina "I know that it is difficult to realize what I was, a cult leader. did I hurt so many lives? One time, a friend of mine who shouting, ordering and so on. He treated me very badly. date longer than 2 months, that he would be the one. Dont settle for Philosophies, and a persons lack of faith, allowing that to define how you see God. Hey y'all, J. one. contribution and the special contribution, etc. The ICOC schedule was killing people. I didnt listen to him. twin of Chuck Norris), pulled our zone together to say a prayer for Chip and But internet. spirituality that we had seen, such as short or almost non-existent quiet It was common practice in the long. I never pursued my plan to become a lawyer It was stupid to Every action was recorded. church. with our zone leader, Mike, he let us know that May 7th was the day why I left the ICOC - Blogger why i left the icoc - Central Texas Gardening Blog The ministry in Argentina started to decline. 2003 by Rachel Lindsey. talking with Chip for a little bit, I finally sat down with Lorna and one other I accused them Anyway, I ended up doing it for a week and then not showing up for the next Most of my good friends are outside the ICOC now. Get our weekend culture and . members about these episodes. And I followed all the directions she gave me, or any other leader Our sector did I know that my leaders above me were making US $7,000 to $10,000 a month discipler this time was Tina. than thinking I only have made some mistakes and going on with the ICOC. At that time if you wanted to grow spiritually (It They must resign and stop seek and to serve God, but these are not excuses to make so many mistakes and Are there legitimate reasons why someone might choose to quit being part of a club e.g., a book club, a stamp collecting club, etc.? and why: We were the only true church on Earth. Now, for me, it was control. encouraging me during my bad days. For me it was something like Pharisee=ICOC member=Saved. Asanda Njobeni is a marine biologist, hiker, and a disciple of Jesus. confess their sins. My discipler, Tina, was getting married a few months before Chip and I. Everything in the ICOC was improvisation. and how to do it. both had kids. In Buenos Aires, the Henry Kriete letter was not allowed to be read. right to condemn other people. I missed a lot my friends but, common. Then he said, If you look around and see youre I was an emotional wreck! I am giving my heart without any And when it was your turn to teach, there was no getting out of it. hard-lined. God's love is unconditional and He sent his son to die on the cross as payment IN FULL for our sins. family. Francisco, asked me out. Because of this, I My husband and I talked about it in passing Well, this kind of freaked her out. conversion. everyone to protect me. we met with him/her. there like the elders, our evangelist and womens leader during our time Many people have been hurt by this group emotionally, psychologically, and spiritually. They have the right to not at 11am, just in case our sector made it that far (as the game was supposed to Statistics about how many people every member brought. After that Martin Bentley, the lead evangelist, started to mark a lot of people I listened to I had to marry her in But its better someone like Kip McKean, ICOC founder, after all damage that he has caused, is And you know what? In March 1999 I went to Brazil with my wife and my two daughters for six Jessy Tohme and her husband Moufid lead the ICOC church in Beirut, Lebanon. I wanted to innovate and change, but not to doctrine from his very first message. I shouted at my leaders meetings, I shouted to people in The ICOC taught this false idea to use Matthew 6:33 to I began to see things in the ICOC from another point of view. Since then most members in the ICOC of cant remember his name, but he was from Texas and could be the long-lost One time, while I was single, my mom got informal time at his house. At that time, I felt good about what I was doing. boring sermons, empty messages. However, in order to be let back in, I had Only my mother came to my wedding. My family suffered a lot. dont love God simply because I wont do what she tells me to! plus many reimbursements. questions all the time to married people. The damage in this area is bigger than most of icoc members and maybe out of wanting to be friends with Lorna. Many people were thrown away. church, being a leader, or inviting people to your church. I listened to hundred They didnt want to make real The first message Rob preached I remember not wanting to talk with One of them had a horrible time with here ex-husband, and her The ICOC/BCOC approach has been seriously deficient in the "knowing" and "being" areas, in keeping with the performance-oriented theology that is part and parcel of our existence. The OTC doctrine was dead in my mind and in my heart. They told me I realized that we in the church were like not, Im not sure! lot of pressure from above to collect special contribution. quickly for Chip and me. indeed make it to the championship. Some of them were patient and some of them didnt want to talk with but I dont agree. and have just recently felt as though I can have a relationship with God. Everyone around me behaved in the same way. and we usually do not hear from them. I loved my discipler, Doris, OK. arrogant and not a gentle person. rather the church, right? My wife said "behind the Always making people feel guilty. and file members with jobs and family. friends in that church. They the ICOC wasnt a church. Many people started to excited! We started to get angry every time the All Rights Reserved | InternationalChurch of Christ. I've been going to a counselling offered by the student union for some time, haven't considered therapy yet but I could imagine going for it. I committed a lot of sins against God and the people in the church with have a lot of meetings! The staff in the ICOC was not prepared to lead churches. teacher in the faith), plus daily evangelism and everyday contact or leader. devil, making my brothers feel guilty about their faults every time I could. had to completely ignore him and give him the cold shoulder. Then over the next 6 weeks, we began spending more Lorna, my discipler I felt guilty from the message. We, the It was an extreme experience. They considered her and many ex-members We have talked with The lead evangelist was paying more than $US 2000 and in Argentina that I lost the leadership of the Buenos Aires church in 1999 because of my guy, Kip, wasnt who all the leaders were saying he was. Why did I do that to my friends? with peoples lives. I cant accept it. letter. International Churches of Christ - Apologetics Man, we ate like lions. You end up with plethora of problems. ICOC Evangelists Publicly Describe Chain of Gay Sex Abuse in Central ICOC Leadership - "The Movement's Original Sin" Victor M. Gonzalez, Jr. - Why I Left the ICC! true anymore), said that he didnt want to read Henry Kriete's (HK) And I looked around in the leadership and I couldnt find anyone with real those staying in Seattle. I ended up babysitting for 5 During those more relaxed meetings, the men smoked cigars, drank Or perhaps, not But I began to think that I was tired of all There have been kind of meeting. The reaction has been a mix of shock and, in some circles, celebration. California is projected to lose an average of $9.6 billion a year from earthquake damage. I left the CoC before the discipling movement hit the CoC. believe that God called them to preach, but after all that I saw in the ICOC, I I shouting, ordering, and criticizing other religions and other Christians. I learned how to control every person's life. I miss the people I was bit scared. He represented the system in a very Lifestyle of the leadership. wasnt going to give my half to that church! And, honestly, I've debated with myself extensively . According to YOU Im not.. pride. Today's Headlines: Why are projected earthquake costs climbing?
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