There is no such thing as physical discipline of a WIFE, period. Jesus bucked the patriarchal norms of his own culture to teach women. I dont know where I have ever read such a torrent of self-satisfied sanctimony. Even the words used I think make some women question whether it is wrong or not. There is no, Well you missed a load of laundry, or The dishes are dirty type spanks in our home. Because Mark does not like them, people having this vision for their life should go to their jail? WebThen I went to college and met my husband James, and became a Christian. People practicing Domestic Discipline are typically very mature and proactive people who really think through these aspects of their relationship. To say that I consented to be spanked, or to say that even an adult woman consents to being spanked simply because she remains in that situation is to make a mockery of the word consent. If you are currently living (or have lived) the Christian Domestic Discipline lifestyle and you would like to share how it has helped your marriage or relationship, please email your story and mention that you wish to share your experiences with other people. Youre quoting a rule or law which only applied under the Old Covenant, for the Jews. He/she was saying that men truly working with the wisdom of God understand everything, both Gods justice, and the theories of their counterparts, rather than only understanding their own theories and thinking that everybody else is a fool (like you do). I believe the misogynists you identify are not Christians. I dont believe they are Christians. [I then asked Lauren if shed be willing to share her story anonymously.]. Classical Conversations #7: Business or a Non-Profit; Cult or a Christian HomeschoolGroup? Male headship is followed all over the world. I imagine the biggest thing other women might be experiencing is that embarrassment, demoralizing, and feeling very disempowered. Someone or something seemingly convinced you that you are not a full adult, that you are a bad (dark) child who deserve discipline. Meanwhile, I assume, you do not see your partner as a bad (dark) little boy who need you to discipline him. science is wrong on domestic violence because you said so? I take it that you are a man pretending to be a woman. When this day happens, the laws will already have been written but will not be enforced or taken seriously anymore, so with many regards, the state of women will be worse than it used to be because theyll be nothing clear they can do to improve their fate. Im afraid were wasting our time attempting to engage somebody who justifies the abuse of women. As a sexually abused little girl growing up in misogynistic Christianity I always felt like god was my pimp. And make no mistake about it, any husband, pastor or other supposed Christian who claims the right to exercise coercive authority over another, excepting only to counter evil, is an abuser. It took a long time for me to have the strength to leave him. Just like there are many realities behind the word marriage, there are many realities behind the term domestic discipline. If nothing else, take that away with you. Now ( standard marriage) she refused to wash the until tomorrow as a result of this and her attitude the marriage is over. We continue to call it abuse, despite the fact that it happens between two consenting* adults, and we continue to prosecute those teachers who abuse their students. Have a great day. Your inability to understand your counterpart speaks volume and certainly does not honour you. A Husbands Guide to Implementing Christian Domestic Discipline. It contains articles on spanking in marriage, as well as advice on leading the home. [redacted] has confided in [redacted] and [redacted] about Jamins abusive behavior. Resistance During a Spanking Such as, not seeing them alone, only meeting in public, and if you need overnight accommodations to see them, NEVER stay at their place or let them stay at yours. Take heed then to your spirit, and let no one deal treacherously against the wife of your youth., I think youd be surprised at how educated these people are. Anderson saying, Its not common for someone to hurt themselves because theyre desperate for their husbands attention and their husbands not giving them the love they need and so they wack themselves. Her treatment is horrid and nothing short of physical, sexual, and mental torture. If you are currently living (or have lived) the Christian Domestic Discipline lifestyle and you would like to share how it has helped your marriage or relationship, please email your story and mention that you wish to share your experiences with other people. He was so different than the other Christians I had met, many of whom tormented my Jewish best friend and my completely secular family. If it makes it hotter for them to mix in some faith? What do you pray when youre hitting your wife? When you mention being a submissive wife, peoples minds tend to go in either one direction or the other. Are you officially divorced now? Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Cant get strength that will defend them a la Roy Rogers, so you get strength that will slap you around a la Gray or John Wayne in his worse moments. He is refusing to let her seek treatment for her current injuries nor let her use pain relievers, ice-packs etc. And no, the experiences, however bad, do not nullify the word of God. This new way has made us loving, more loving than ever before. And the whole of sub-saharan Christian Africa. I offer personal advice and mentorship in marriage to men or women who contact me. I believe that the only people to spank a woman is a father, husband, mother, and maybe a disciplinarian. Ok, so this is more widespread than I suspected if its crossing over into charismatic churches. Anderson stopped Jamin and asked why he would make a statement like that just out of the blue. Nope, cant go there anymore. 4000 kids a day get killed for being conceived in the wrong womb. Spare the rod, spoil the wife Domestic Discipline is the same sort of addictive behavior. Was your church part of a particular denomination? Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. The ones who claim they enjoy it have psychological issues, but its not due to wanting to be abused that is sick. You take it up with him. Thats my responsibility as a believer and as a thinking adult. I know for a long time I did not consider myself a battered or abused wife. Twosummers ago, I received a phone call from a pastor who shared his growing concern about wife-spanking in his family of churches. Unforgiveness is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. http://cryingoutforjustice.com/resources/safety-planning/, And if you havent yet started following our blog A Cry For Justice, we encourage you to do so. I saw my mom get dads strap many times growing up and Mom always said that Dad was a good leader and that he did what God required him to do to raise us to be good Christians, my brothers to be good servant leaders and us girls to be obedient and submissive to those who God puts over us. mysterious death, disappearance, ending up in a vegetative state in a nursing home) and been assured that they are powerful, well funded, technically and legally savvy and any efforts to move and change her identity are futile. They want to give. Claire Roise: Oppressed and Defenseless Women within the Church, Flying Free: Help for Survivors of Emotional Abuse, Lori Anne Thompson on Clergy Sexual Misconduct. Reading this comment section is like reading a handbook of how liberal thinkers (and do not assume that I am a conservative), go about turning people who think differently than them into mentally sick people. If you are currently living (or have lived) the Christian Domestic Discipline lifestyle and you would like to share how it has helped your marriage or relationship, please email your story and mention that you wish to share your experiences with other people. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Watts' first-hand experience of Fundamentalist Christian male dominance is pretty sobering. Change). Its only by bringing the two together under complete subjection to Christ by both parties that the marriage will ever be complete. Anonymous, musingsofaministerswife.com, 11. But what about husbands who are not following the Lord and asks them to violate the word of God. Lydia00, Eph 5:21 does not contradict what follows., I agree. Sorry, have not read anything here yet! What a shame men have come along and subverted His purposes for women. Sgt. He spanked his wife so he could get the demons out and to stop the bad behavior which he labeled as narcissism. Its not called beatings or abuse, which is what it is. Honestly I feel like I feel like these testimonials are written by perverts mostly old men who never had have been married or just absolutely disgusting men who are trying to make this normal I dont think these are actually written by real people actually experiencing this mess because quite honestly I would hope if you were that much of a Christian, that much in a head of household relationship your husband would not be comfortable with you describing your sore, red bottom if so he is as much of a pervert as that Pastor was. Jamin said he did not want to touch [redacted] who was still trying to sleep with her head on [redacted] left shoulder and [redacted] was just walking into his hand. And it just baffles me that getting hit makes your marriage closer. What is Christian domestic discipline Feminism is merely a modern Western aberration. Those who advocate domestic discipline do so on the basis of several passages taken out of context and wildly interpreted. Jamin replied to Sgt. Its happenin. But I do reinterpret it in light of those experiences, and the light of common sense and human decency. Ben is a very strict HOH, and I love him very much because of it. I find joy in being a submissive wife. She will need to learn some self-control with not crying out, or bite a pillow to keep quiet. Id be interested in knowing if a Lone Voice is a man or a woman? Out of our wounds flow compassion, understanding, & grace. If men like you were running Christianity its reputation would be much better, and I am sure women and little girls would be suffer and much happier. For anyone wanting many more articles, and explanations, and rebuttals to the sexist views Ben and I agreed, but I wasnt sure how effective it would be, as Ben wasnt a good spanker. I had another thought about thetransfer of headship in marriage. Gary, You have said nothing. When it comes to twisting, and even mistranslating, Scripture it is amazing how [s]ome people believe with great fervor preposterous things that just happen to coincide with their self-interest. Coleman v. CIR (791 F.2d 68 at 69 (7th Cir. You are going to have to move to a place of forgiveness.. Cooler heads prevail and your words are so helpful, not just for A Lone Voice, but to anyone else who may stumble across this old thread. The Bible doesnt say that never-married adult women have to submit to a man, or any men, certainly not American women in the year 2015. Its because sje disrespected me. But you dont know whether shes a Christian. maybe a directory of churches and communities, that still get it, would help . If accusations of anger are routinely hurled as thought stoppers by Christian tyrants everywhere, just think how effective wolf must think it will have been to accuse you of rage. It really is that good. Michael is worried sick over his wife's whereabouts, and he's determined to put a stop to her irresponsible behavior. Its gonna happen. Whatever you want. In an abusive home, children do not have a sense of a normal healthy marriage, so thismodeling of abusive behaviorcould affect generations. Jamin was holding up his left hand and motioning his right hand into his left hand as he explained [redacted] actions. Of course I think she deserved to get punished for complaining but I still felt bad for her. When I see how women have been treated like objects by people who demand to have an authority position over their wives, demand obedience, demand submission, presume to be an intermediary to God. So people actually choose to add their prefered dose of physical disciplining to leverage these psychological effects, it is an extra tool they use as part of their commitment to make things work with regards to the shared vision they have for their life (in which you have no business). There is a great website written by a former feminist who now lives this life with her husband, as well as their daughters with their husbands. Im arguing that the word discipline entails a superior/inferior relationship and therefore not true consent. The woman you are concerned about is indeed at very high risk. s Christian Domestic Discipline Marriage Dont you think a woman like that has no theology to support her and is outside the will of God? If you get to the point were you are ready to prevent two contenting adults from living the way they choose, you are making a big disservice to any cause you pretend to serve. Thank you for writing and shedding light on another form of domestic abuse that doesnt get talked about very much. And you seem to see yourself not as a good child, a child of the light, but as a dark child. After a while I learned that this was really Gods plan for the household and wanted it for myself when I was married. I dont think he has stockholm syndrome or any other excuse, he just likes being her highnesss good little stallion. There is a beautiful surrender that comes with allowing myself to be vulnerable and submissive. States have laws limiting marriage of close relatives. Webchristian domestic discipline; Corset Waist Training; Deep Thoughts; Exercise and Chocolate; Fiction; maintenance; marriage; my submissiveness; Orgasm Control; Pierced Nipples; Punishment; Spanking; Submission; swingers Thank you, Serving. He preyed on his teen age nanny girl! I think there were many times two which I was so disobedient that my parents would have not known what to do unless they had given me a spanking and set me straight. I met Ben, my husband, at a work function, and when I found out he was a Christian agreed to go out with him. campaign, Christian Domestic Discipline/Loving Wife Spanking in a Christian Marriage is not satire -- and I just can't get it out of my head. Except the exegeises you have been taught, does contradict. My name is Susie and my husband and I thought I should share with you what it is like for us to be involved in a Christian Domestic Discipline relationship. In Dr. Phils example, we see a bully who used rage and anger as he spanked/assaulted his wife. I never forget the last time I tested him. The best part of domestic discipline is what has happened emotionally between this long-time married couple. Aspire to knowledge and aspire to love, declare yourself ignorant and humble and you will find justice and wisdom for God does not reveal himself to arrogant people and this is why you are in darkness on this matter., This is another thing you do: you cover the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping and with groaning, because He no longer regards the offering or accepts it with favor from your hand. Jamin wanted me to take a look at his finger nails because he was said his finger nails were too short to leave any marks. How are you doing now? I call it being a polite, persistent, pest. You may be at war with Domestic Violence, and this is an honorable fight. (the link to their blog is currently on the upper left hand side of the page): When you first commented on here, I was prepared to hear you out I know someone personally who has fetishes, and hes admitted to me that can be a struggle for him in his marriage. Comfortable, but very childish, very full coverage stuff. Christianity is about inspiring free hearts, not forcing them with laws. Oh boy, here we go. Lone, there are a few Biblical objections to role playing, S& M, and the like. I had my hands up and she walks into me. Jamin was not told about the allegations made against him by [redacted] to me. Beautiful Surrender: 13 Godly Christian Wives My daughters and I attend Sunday school that our pastor does for all the women who get spanked when they are bad. A friend of mine from work saw how down I was. Send in your testimonials! But often I would struggle or try to escape but he was big and strong enough to hold me in place and then would tell me I was getting more for disobeying and struggling. Not to mention I find it tremendously sexy and attractive. Those wacky scientists have way more education than you or I, so obviously you cannot correlate education with wise and good choices. They took all her her clothes off in front of everybody and then she got a spanking by the Pastor and her husband with their belts. Its brilliant. In this first article we will demonstrate how the practice of domestic discipline aligns perfectly with Biblical principles and commands regarding marriage. One clue to you that your gender role views are un-bilbical is that they only apply to, are often only applied to, middle class, white American married mothers. For where does it end ? I know its hard, but it must be do-able by the grace of God and the power of Holy Spirit because our Lord Jesus said: Im so glad you found the strength to leave your abusive marriage. Wolf goes on to demandnot suggest, but demandthat you forgive. You take it up with him., the wife and the husband having power or authority over each others bodies is in the context of them not refusing each other conjugal relations (due benevolence). Christian Domestic Discipline, wife spanking, Christian Patriarchy Movement, Spanking of Adult Children, Denominational Practices and teachings Two summers ago, I received a phone call from a pastor who shared his growing concern about wife-spanking in his family of churches. The last paragraph of Laurens e-mail revealed her parentssided with Laurens husband and believed her to be disobedient to her husband. 100pinkapples: I am so sorry you have been so badly treated. Daisy: I dont have issues with men. Then in your next paragraph: Men are not the loving protectors that some claim that they should be Er I remember saying There is NO WAY Im going to be some mans slave and stay at home and cook and clean for him! It was not until I sat through a Bible study on the book of Ephesians that I truly understood submission. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. You choose to call it domestic discipline. I wouldnt say the link I gave was to a feminist site so much as it is a Christian egalitarian site, the two not being the same thing. We have no set rules so to speak. Later my dad told me that he was glad I have a husband who keeps me in line and that I had better behave if I dont want him to repeat it. I mean, on Star Trek, Kirk listened to Spock all of the time, but Kirk was still the boss. Did you know the APA approves gender reassignment surgery as the best way to HELP a male patient who reports his inner self is really female? So I deluded myself to thinking that I wasnt like those women in shelters scared for their lives. Submission is not meant for badits meant to give us more freedom actually. Danielle, butlerpartyof3.com, 7. Still, and some may think I have gone way to far out on a limb here, I believe the misogynists you identify are not Christians. James truly believed in When women were welcomed, for the most part, into the workforce and had independent means of support, the divorce rate skyrocketed. Lets discusshymens. For keep in mind that you are in a very difficult position in that you are promoting an ideology which is against nature. 50 SHADES OF GREY AND PATRIARCHY: WHAT EXACTLY DID WE EXPECT? We met through church but I dont know what his family background was. You may also like to read our Safety Planning page: Your position is unbiblical. But since then youve gone on to talk as though male headship is required in all Christian marriages, and as though feminism is some kind of dirty word. Sometimes, he will seek my input about rules or behavior standards. Because people are increasingly dissatisfied by the standard domestic arrangements proposed by social scientists are looking for alternative arrangements more in line with human nature. It was there that I met Christ and started down my path to happiness. Instead, I understand that person to be trapped in a self-destructive pattern of addiction. I started going to their church and before long was a very active member. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Pat Robertson talks about moving to Saudi Arabia, so that makes me want to tell Lauren to move to Canada. I agree with that. When the man takes charge and makes really good, well-thought-out (and prayed for) decisions, its pretty easy for 2. He took off his belt, bent me over the counter, lifted up my skirt and proceeded to give me exactly what I deserved. Male headship is followed all over the world. Moreover, consent is tricky in these matters for a simple reason; many will consent to a humiliating or injurious act out of fear of losing their loverbut the Biblical reality is that the person, despite their consent, has just been injured or humiliated.
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